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    Stuttering

    Deci, am calculatorul acesta din septembrie 2014.

    Placa de baza: MSI H81M-P33
    CPU: intel i3 4150
    GPU: palit gtx750 2gb
    Ram: 4GB kingston 1600mhz red series + 8GB kingston 1600mhz red series
    Sursa: Sirtec ECO 450W

    Totul a inceput cand am vrut sa fac update de la windows 8.1 la windows 10. Am facut update peste 8.1, nu fresh install. Mergea bine dar am avut o problema cu controllerul 360 wireless, si impreuna cu aceasta noua problema aparuta, care la inceput am crezut ca are legatura cu windows 10, m-au facut sa revin la windows 8.1.
    Surpriza, problema e tot aici, stuttering audio (cel mai sesizabil), video, si miscarile mouse-ului. Deci problema nu a fost de software. Am incercat sa gasesc cauza problemei. Am observat ca problema apare cand folosesc internetul, gen decarcari pe steam la viteza mai mare de 3MB/s (am abonament fiberlink 500, dar trece printr-un router non-gigabit, deci nu pot folosi decat 100mb/s). Am intrat in Resource Monitor si am observat un proces 'System Intrerrupts" care aparea de fiecare data cand aceste stutteruri se intampla. Dupa mai multe verificari, cautari pe google, nimic nu a ajutat.

    M-am gandit ca problema ar putea fi la HDD (western digital caviar blue 1TB), dar nu am stiut cum sa imi dau seama. Am scanat HDD ul cu Disk Doctor de la iObit si nu a avut nici o eroare.
    Am prins o reducere buna la un alt magazin ( cunoscut, nu e problema calitatea produsului ) si am achizitionat un SSD Kingston V300 de 120GB. Isi face treaba foarte bine dar... problema e tot acolo. De mentionat, am instalat direct Windows 10.

    Am gasit o postare pe internet de la o persoana care zicea ca a rezolvat problema inlocuind routerul. Am scos cablul din router si l-am bagat direct in PC, m-am autentificat la rds si am inceput sa descarc si sa testez. Problema a disparut chiar daca descarcam cu 40MB/s.

    Fericit, crezusem ca am rezolvat problema. Am vrut sa mai fac niste teste, asa ca am conectat routerul si am incercat din nou. Chiar si asa, problema nu a aparut. Chiar acum ascult muzica pe youtube si descarc cu 11MB/s fara nici o problema, nici un stutter.

    Sincer, habar nu am ce ar putea sa cauzeze, in afara de o problema de hardware&driver.

    Acum sa descriu putin problema. Prima data ma uitam la un stream pe twitch.tv cand steam a inceput sa faca o actualizare.
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EBCtFBdkJ8

    Am dat drumul la o melodie, dupa care am dat drumul la steam sa descarce un joc la intamplare. Se poate vedea rezultatul. In dreapta sus este al doilea monitor cu OBS'ul, se poate vedea ca nu am alte programe deschise.

    Sper sa ma puteti ajuta inspre rezolvarea problemei. In cazul in care placa de baza e problema, cred ca voi putea beneficia de garantia oferita de mediadot.

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    http://www.sweetwater.com/sweetcare/...atency-issues/

    descarca-ti LatencyMon si lasa-l sa ruleze. Vei afla exact ce driver sau software cauzeaza intreruperile, si poti incerca sa-l actualizezi, sau sa nu mai folosesti ( daca e vorba de soft )

    Inca o chestie, power management-ul din windows recent e FOARTE agresiv si nu e gandit pentru o utilizare de tip "power user" (cu download rapid, youtube, etc.)

    Daca nu ai probleme cu salvarea copacilor si nici nu te ustura buzunarul la contorul ENEL, pune power management-ul pe "High Performance" si 99% sigur scapi de problemele de genul.

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    Mersi pentru sfaturi. L-am setat pe High performance. Maine o sa si incerc acel program, daca mai apare problema (e destul de imprevizibil, atat stiu, ca apare cand folosesc internetul mai intens).
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    Deci, am descarcat programul, am dat drumul la program, totul parea in regula.
    Am dat drumul la o melodie pe youtube si am pornit un download pe steam.
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    _________________________________________________________________________________________________________
    CONCLUSION
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    Your system appears to be having trouble handling real-time audio and other tasks. You are likely to experience buffer underruns appearing as drop outs, clicks or pops. One or more DPC routines that belong to a driver running in your system appear to be executing for too long. At least one detected problem appears to be network related. In case you are using a WLAN adapter, try disabling it to get better results. One problem may be related to power management, disable CPU throttling settings in Control Panel and BIOS setup. Check for BIOS updates. 
    LatencyMon has been analyzing your system for  0:15:58  (h:mm:ss) on all processors.
    
    
    _________________________________________________________________________________________________________
    SYSTEM INFORMATION
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    Computer name:                                        RAZVAN
    OS version:                                           Windows 8 , 6.2, build: 9200 (x64)
    Hardware:                                             MS-7817, MSI, H81M-P33 (MS-7817)
    CPU:                                                  GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-4150 CPU @ 3.50GHz
    Logical processors:                                   4
    Processor groups:                                     1
    RAM:                                                  11206 MB total
    
    
    _________________________________________________________________________________________________________
    CPU SPEED
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    Reported CPU speed:                                   350 MHz
    Measured CPU speed:                                   1 MHz (approx.)
    
    Note: reported execution times may be calculated based on a fixed reported CPU speed. Disable variable speed settings like Intel Speed Step and AMD Cool N Quiet in the BIOS setup for more accurate results.
    
    WARNING: the CPU speed that was measured is only a fraction of the CPU speed reported. Your CPUs may be throttled back due to variable speed settings and thermal issues. It is suggested that you run a utility which reports your actual CPU frequency and temperature. 
    
    
    
    _________________________________________________________________________________________________________
    MEASURED INTERRUPT TO USER PROCESS LATENCIES
    _________________________________________________________________________________________________________
    The interrupt to process latency reflects the measured interval that a usermode process needed to respond to a hardware request from the moment the interrupt service routine started execution. This includes the scheduling and execution of a DPC routine, the signaling of an event and the waking up of a usermode thread from an idle wait state in response to that event.
    
    Highest measured interrupt to process latency (Ás):   3591,312972
    Average measured interrupt to process latency (Ás):   13,599111
    
    Highest measured interrupt to DPC latency (Ás):       2765,384132
    Average measured interrupt to DPC latency (Ás):       10,786534
    
    
    _________________________________________________________________________________________________________
     REPORTED ISRs
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    Interrupt service routines are routines installed by the OS and device drivers that execute in response to a hardware interrupt signal.
    
    Highest ISR routine execution time (Ás):              160,940571
    Driver with highest ISR routine execution time:       dxgkrnl.sys - DirectX Graphics Kernel, Microsoft Corporation
    
    Highest reported total ISR routine time (%):          0,171095
    Driver with highest ISR total time:                   dxgkrnl.sys - DirectX Graphics Kernel, Microsoft Corporation
    
    Total time spent in ISRs (%)                          0,220133
    
    ISR count (execution time <250 Ás):                   797759
    ISR count (execution time 250-500 Ás):                0
    ISR count (execution time 500-999 Ás):                0
    ISR count (execution time 1000-1999 Ás):              0
    ISR count (execution time 2000-3999 Ás):              0
    ISR count (execution time >=4000 Ás):                 0
    
    
    _________________________________________________________________________________________________________
    REPORTED DPCs
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    DPC routines are part of the interrupt servicing dispatch mechanism and disable the possibility for a process to utilize the CPU while it is interrupted until the DPC has finished execution.
    
    Highest DPC routine execution time (Ás):              4322,6720
    Driver with highest DPC routine execution time:       ndis.sys - Network Driver Interface Specification (NDIS), Microsoft Corporation
    
    Highest reported total DPC routine time (%):          1,291933
    Driver with highest DPC total execution time:         ndis.sys - Network Driver Interface Specification (NDIS), Microsoft Corporation
    
    Total time spent in DPCs (%)                          1,709409
    
    DPC count (execution time <250 Ás):                   5407903
    DPC count (execution time 250-500 Ás):                0
    DPC count (execution time 500-999 Ás):                84430
    DPC count (execution time 1000-1999 Ás):              4327
    DPC count (execution time 2000-3999 Ás):              105
    DPC count (execution time >=4000 Ás):                 0
    
    
    _________________________________________________________________________________________________________
     REPORTED HARD PAGEFAULTS
    _________________________________________________________________________________________________________
    Hard pagefaults are events that get triggered by making use of virtual memory that is not resident in RAM but backed by a memory mapped file on disk. The process of resolving the hard pagefault requires reading in the memory from disk while the process is interrupted and blocked from execution.
    
    NOTE: some processes were hit by hard pagefaults. If these were programs producing audio, they are likely to interrupt the audio stream resulting in dropouts, clicks and pops. Check the Processes tab to see which programs were hit.
    
    Process with highest pagefault count:                 chrome.exe
    
    Total number of hard pagefaults                       7540
    Hard pagefault count of hardest hit process:          2314
    Highest hard pagefault resolution time (Ás):          420482,9820
    Total time spent in hard pagefaults (%):              0,747155
    Number of processes hit:                              55
    
    
    _________________________________________________________________________________________________________
     PER CPU DATA
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    CPU 0 Interrupt cycle time (s):                       57,78610
    CPU 0 ISR highest execution time (Ás):                160,940571
    CPU 0 ISR total execution time (s):                   8,010887
    CPU 0 ISR count:                                      704902
    CPU 0 DPC highest execution time (Ás):                3709,005714
    CPU 0 DPC total execution time (s):                   39,465270
    CPU 0 DPC count:                                      4247908
    _________________________________________________________________________________________________________
    CPU 1 Interrupt cycle time (s):                       7,318997
    CPU 1 ISR highest execution time (Ás):                136,838857
    CPU 1 ISR total execution time (s):                   0,424811
    CPU 1 ISR count:                                      92468
    CPU 1 DPC highest execution time (Ás):                709,149714
    CPU 1 DPC total execution time (s):                   1,651826
    CPU 1 DPC count:                                      287738
    _________________________________________________________________________________________________________
    CPU 2 Interrupt cycle time (s):                       29,102982
    CPU 2 ISR highest execution time (Ás):                96,461714
    CPU 2 ISR total execution time (s):                   0,002767
    CPU 2 ISR count:                                      372
    CPU 2 DPC highest execution time (Ás):                4322,6720
    CPU 2 DPC total execution time (s):                   23,534074
    CPU 2 DPC count:                                      747505
    _________________________________________________________________________________________________________
    CPU 3 Interrupt cycle time (s):                       5,294251
    CPU 3 ISR highest execution time (Ás):                6,721143
    CPU 3 ISR total execution time (s):                   0,000073
    CPU 3 ISR count:                                      17
    CPU 3 DPC highest execution time (Ás):                757,045714
    CPU 3 DPC total execution time (s):                   0,876889
    CPU 3 DPC count:                                      213615
    _________________________________________________________________________________________________________
    Nu am auzit nici un stutter inca. Am sa las programul in background si daca se intampla din nou voi deschide programul.

    Edit: Monitorul principal e conectat la placa video [vga] si cel secundar e conectat la placa de baza[vga]
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    4 milisecunde pentru NDIS !!!
    Duamne sfinte...

    Probabil e defect chip-ul de retea, sau ai probleme mari cu driverul. Incearca sa-l reinstalezi, daca nu se rezolva, exista placi de retea gigabit la 30-50 lei.

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    Edit:
    Deasemenea, ai cam multe page faults (insuficienta memorie pentru aplicatii)
    Ori ai ceva in background care iti mananca memorie la greu, sau esti virusat si cineva iti foloseste computerul ca sa trimita spam... oricum, vrajitor nu sunt sa stiu ce ai tu pe acolo

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    Quote Originally Posted by wavetrex View Post
    4 milisecunde pentru NDIS !!!
    Duamne sfinte...

    Probabil e defect chip-ul de retea, sau ai probleme mari cu driverul. Incearca sa-l reinstalezi, daca nu se rezolva, exista placi de retea gigabit la 30-50 lei.
    Am mai facut inca un test si erau 5ms. Am ultimul driver instalat descarcat de pe pagina de suport a placii de baza .

    Din moment ce placa e cumparata de la mediadot, sunt eligibil pentru garantie, nu? Pe website scrie ca am 36 de luni garantie, care nu au trecut inca. Nu vreau sa repar problema cumparand altceva, vreau sa o am in stare buna.


    EDIT: Incepand de aseara, cand am facut acel video, nu mai am probleme cu stutteringul. (am activat modul high performance)
    Totusi ma ingrijoreaza ce imi arata programul.

    Inca un screenshot, ma uitam la un stream pe twitch, 4500 bitrate, si intrasem in rocket league doar la training, adica fara playeri, fara sa fiu conectat la vreun server pentru a ma juca.

    http://prntscr.com/b1neyt
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    razvan, problema e ca in dificultati software, garantia se aplica doar daca este sistem de operare cu licenta achizitionat deodata cu computerul.

    Ce ai instalat tu... nu vreau sa fac speculatii, insa mai mult ca sigur nu intra in categoria asta.

    Daca zici ca e ok cu "High Performance" mode, ramai asa o perioada si vezi daca se agraveaza sau nu.
    Alternativ, pe alt harddisk/ssd instaleaza alt sistem de operare si vezi daca se intimpla la fel (Windows 7 x64).
    Windows 10 e nou, driverele pentru el sunt noi... e posibil sa aiba anumite bug-uri.

    Poate in timp se rezolva prin update-uri... nu stiu ce sa zic.
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    S-a intamplat din nou. Nu am facut nimic special, eram pe imgur, ma uitam la niste poze(nici macar descarcari). Am pornit repede LatencyMon si... 20.8ms
    http://prntscr.com/b1swg5 .
    Ciudat e ca am dat un speedtest in timp ce se intampla si imi arata doar vreo 20Mb/s.
    Am dat disable si apoi enable la device Realtek PCIe GBE Family Controller. Nici o schimbare.
    Am dat reboot la router (din interfata web 192.1...) si se pare ca am din nou ~90Mb/s. Chiar nu mai stiu care ar putea fi problema, ma gandesc ca ar putea fi routerul care are alimentarea proasta (nu ar fi prima data, am mai avut un tenda care odata primea 12v, odata 3, odata 5...)

    Acele speculatii ar fi.. corecte :P

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    Apropo, daca nu voi gasi nici un fix, ce imi recomandati?

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